Monday, May 26, 2014

BSE-USE Merger (Transcript of Interview on CNBC)

Below is the transcript of Rajnikant Patel and Alok Churiwala’s interview with CNBC-TV18’s Latha Venkatesh and Ekta Batra.

Latha: What does this mean, is this a big difference for BSE in terms of size? 

Patel: More than size I think it is positive for BSE in the way that both the exchanges now can look at synergy and a larger pie of business and consolidation which is a good thing. I think it is a step in the right direction. Now whether it will actually increase the BSEs volume, of course the addition of USE volume definitely will come in, in the segment in which they are trading but how positively it will impact the other segments of BSE's volume that remains to be seen.

Latha: What are the strengths of USE? Which segments of BSE gets strengthened you think?

Patel: Currency futures is what USE trades in. So, that is a segment which probably will add on to the BSEs overall pie. That is what the USE was initially formed for, to concentrate exclusively on that area which segment will now add more to BSEs existing volume in that particular region. What is happening otherwise the market was getting split on two or three – NSE is trading in the segment, BSE is there, USE, MCX-SX. Now, bringing BSE and USE together would consolidate at trading volume.

Latha: What do you see as the big gain for the BSE broker and more importantly for the exchange itself? 

Churiwala: I think it is a great deal both from the perspective of the BSE as well as USE. Primarily from the BSE, they are buying into a competitor so as to say because USE was on the currency segment. BSE has just launched its currency segment and they are doing volumes of little over Rs 5000 crore on a daily basis. So, that is one positive that immediately flows out of this deal. Secondly, the linkages that USE has with banks, BSE will be able to leverage on this relationship. Thirdly, the brokers who have erstwhile been on USE will now also be directly able to access the BSE platform to start with probably the currency platform and with the blessings of the regulator the futures and options and cash trading platforms as well. From the USEs perspective if we look at the shareholder of the USE, USE as a exchange was going nowhere and I think they will now be buying into an exchange which is got 130-140-year-old history, which is probably also on the verge of listing. From existing BSE brokers perspective if we see it is again a great positive because willy nilly a valuation is being discovered for the exchange, a valuation is being discovered through an M&A deal, through an independent third-party valuation, which is close to almost Rs 4000 crore. All in all I think it is a win-win for all parties concerned. 

Ekta: Do you think that the possible BSE listing would fructify or is even on the cards?

Churiwala: The BSE brokers who also hold almost 40 percent shareholders of the BSE Limited have been waiting for this listing since the last seven years. I believe that BSE has also applied for in-principle permission to list with Securities and Exchange Board of India (Sebi) for over a year now. So, there are moves in that direction and in a market place so dynamic I think we should be seeing the BSE listing sooner rather than later. Across the globe you will see large cross-border exchanges buying into each other and it is only a question of time before Indian exchanges also come on that radar. While on this I would also like to make one more point that foreign bourses cannot buy into Indian exchanges over 5 percent as the regulation stands today. I think it is about time that is seriously looked into because until any foreign player can take a serious stake in an Indian entity the strategic nature of a relationship will never fructify.

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